Can I Continue Ctb if I Find a Job

Help I want to ctb but I'm in the process of going uni abroad, should I still do it?

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• Start date Aug 30, 2022

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• #1

Hi there, working with a short time frame here
So I was planning to ctb this saturday after going out with my friends but I'm currently in a process of applying for a visa to go uni abroad. My parents already paid for it and as of right now I'm finding myself booking for a room to stay. I already wrote some suicide notes to friends and family (but not fully done yet) and planning to jump of a bridge after ingesting 100 pills of diphenhydramine (planning to grind it up and mixing it with water). I'm adding to the time and effort wasted by my parents by catching the bus but by doing it after applying for a visa it can mean more serious repercussions for them in the future if they want to apply themselves (they might not grant my parents visas since there is a recorded case of suicide in the family maybe). I really don't want to have to ctb outside my country cuz it's gonna be an even bigger nightmare for them to try to get my dead body back home. should I continue with the plan?

ps: ctb has always been a plan of mine for years, I planned to do it after i've repaid my parents financially but that's gonna take a coupke of years and I'm considering doing it now because I dont think I can go any longer. ctb is the my end whether i've repaid my parents financially or not. it's just a matter of when.

Last edited: Aug 30, 2022

• #2

If you have to ask, no you shouldn't do it. You also should really consider commuting to school and working part time. You're headed to a lifetime of crushing student debt with your education plan.

• #3

If you have to ask, no you shouldn't do it. You also should really consider commuting to school and working part time. You're headed to a lifetime of crushing student debt with your education

I'm asking because it's a matter of when. If I go now, my parents wont have to pay for my education abroad. If I go later, I will have to repay them and that will take years. Plus if i choose to go later, my education is only gonna be 3 years undergrad and I'm going to a place where it's reasonable enough financially (not the US which yea, life-time student debt is a thing there but not where I'm going)

• #4

I'm asking because it's a matter of when. If I go now, my parents wont have to pay for my education abroad. If I go later, I will have to repay them and that will take years. Plus if i choose to go later, my education is only gonna be 3 years undergrad and I'm going to a place where it's reasonable enough financially (not the US which yea, life-time student debt is a thing there but not where I'm going)

Well, I'm just going to say don't go into a debt that will pass to your parents if you plan to kill yourself before that debt is paid. I hope you decide to postpone for a long time, but if you think that may not be the case, then figure out a cheaper option for school. There are tons of programs and certs that are dirt cheap and yet can get you a really high paying job. College is re

• #5

the tuition is not the problem because my parents are paying for it and they can afford it. I'm not gonna be in student debt but i am gonna be in debt to my parents. That's the problem. I have to repay them if i postpone it. If I go now. I dont have
that to repay for.

Euthanza

Self Righteous Suicide

• #6

Why young folks always seem in hurry? While the door to your about well being in the future has just opened, but not yet begun.
Well, since you ask here, last time I remember my college life was quite awesome compared to working environment which continously reserves a lot of stress and competitions. University could be fun for some people, may be you should give it a try. Though I think I took the wrong major which is irrelevant to my passion. What major do you plan to take?

• #7

I'm planning to take finance and econ combined cuz u know, i need to learn about money to make money lol. But see, right now, everything is pitted against us young ones and no one seems to show any serious concern for that. Housing price has gone up so much that on average it's impossible for younger ppl like me to even imagine buying one. The job market is becoming increasingly competitive and I am at a disadvantage at every possible level. Firstly, looks. It matters a lot and there is no bullshit motivational speech (that everyone is beautiful) is gonna convince me other wise. I do not have good genes so I'm at a disadvantage. So i have to rely on my brain this is the second point. My academic achievements are good but never exceptional and in this modern world, only exceptional skills can truly bear any fruit. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that i'll be stuck in a shitty office job or sth worst. I do not want to go through that at all. I went through highschool abroad and that was hard enough. I find no joy in life and that's why my end goal has always always been ctb for years now.

Euthanza

Self Righteous Suicide

• #8

I'm planning to take finance and econ combined cuz u know, i need to learn about money to make money lol. But see, right now, everything is pitted against us young ones and no one seems to show any serious concern for that. Housing price has gone up so much that on average it's impossible for younger ppl like me to even imagine buying one. The job market is becoming increasingly competitive and I am at a disadvantage at every possible level. Firstly, looks. It matters a lot and there is no bullshit motivational speech (that everyone is beautiful) is gonna convince me other wise. I do not have good genes so I'm at a disadvantage. So i have to rely on my brain this is the second point. My academic achievements are good but never exceptional and in this modern world, only exceptional skills can truly bear any fruit. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that i'll be stuck in a shitty office job or sth worst. I do not want to go through that at all. I went through highschool abroad and that was hard enough. I find no joy in life and that's why my end goal has always always been ctb for years now.

Imo our whole economic system is based on pyramid scheme of money (ugh, but that's another subject).
Yeah, I recognize the troubles gen Z are gonna facing, it's just too bad those are the things out of our control. Many millenials are already in that position by now, living frugal and childfree because it just doesn't makes sense anymore to get out of middle income trap, unless you're among few very lucky ones.

Back to the topic, isn't 2,5gram of diphenhydramine a fatal dose already? Google said LD50 is 20mg/kg

• #9

So are you suggesting it's better now? I have 100 tablets of diphenhydramine of 25 mg each and im about 55 kg skinny dude and I calculated it , 100 pills is just enough to be fatal. But I'm gonna walk slowly on the bridge, having had drinks with my friend i would be a bit relaxed. I would prolly smoke a few cigarettes. Then walk to the middle of the bridge, take out the diphenhydramine mixed with water, chuck the whole shit and then jump.

Euthanza

Self Righteous Suicide

• #10

So are you suggesting it's better now? I have 100 tablets of diphenhydramine of 25 mg each and im about 55 kg skinny dude and I calculated it , 100 pills is just enough to be fatal. But I'm gonna walk slowly on the bridge, having had drinks with my friend i would be a bit relaxed. I would prolly smoke a few cigarettes. Then walk to the middle of the bridge, take out the diphenhydramine mixed with water, chuck the whole shit and then jump.

Well, you're worrying about the future, which is not happening right now, yet but also probably not gonna be so bad the slightest chance. It's not too wise to be hurry while the opportunity for new experiences you've never been (in college) before, is there in front of you.

I like your multi method and its' fatality, but I have acrophobia, so I couldn't recommend things that I don't do myself, sorry. When you do it, it just means you're brave, but not wise enough; at least give it a second thought that your parents really don't hesitate to fund your tuition? My assumption is that they're not the ones who asked for payback.

The good thing about suicide that I always hold even though I already have SN+ in my hand, is that I could back anytime I want until I'm certain and 100% sure that I can feel in my guts if the time is right for me, regardless external opinions. I'm not saying my condition is better than yours, it's just everyone has to be themselves and make up their own mind.

• #11

I don't know that anyone can tell you what to do with your life.

College can be a different experience in a whole other place. It's almost like starting a new life somewhere. I don't know your reasons to CTB and maybe you wouldn't want to but it could be worth going to see what happens.

• #12

I'm planning to take finance and econ combined cuz u know, i need to learn about money to make money lol. But see, right now, everything is pitted against us young ones and no one seems to show any serious concern for that. Housing price has gone up so much that on average it's impossible for younger ppl like me to even imagine buying one. The job market is becoming increasingly competitive and I am at a disadvantage at every possible level. Firstly, looks. It matters a lot and there is no bullshit motivational speech (that everyone is beautiful) is gonna convince me other wise. I do not have good genes so I'm at a disadvantage. So i have to rely on my brain this is the second point. My academic achievements are good but never exceptional and in this modern world, only exceptional skills can truly bear any fruit. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that i'll be stuck in a shitty office job or sth worst. I do not want to go through that at all. I went through highschool abroad and that was hard enough. I find no joy in life and that's why my end goal has always always been ctb for years now.

I double majored in econ and finance. Graduated magna cum laude. That degree did zero for me my whole life. I would highly suggest something that will teach a specific skill set. Accounting or actuarial sciences.

• #13

if I may ask what do you do now?

I double majored in econ and finance. Graduated magna cum laude. That degree did zero for me my whole life. I would highly suggest something that will teach a specific skill set. Accounting or actuarial sciences.

• #14

if I may ask what do you do now?

I was in education for some time. Got into that because I was a sub whilst going to college. Wound up an analyst after that, which I only got because of progress toward a master's in mathematics. Currently a manager for a software company because I taught myself SQL and python.

If I had to do it again, I would have gone for accounting, gotten a CPA, and been a pertner at E&Y or Deloitte, making about $500k/yr.

• #15

Depending on where you're studying abroad, it might actually be easier to ctb while there. Hell, it might be even easier to make it look like an accident too (then your life insurance will partially cover whatever you owe family).

• #16

Depending on where you're studying abroad, it might actually be easier to ctb while there. Hell, it might be even easier to make it look like an accident too (then your life insurance will partially cover whatever you owe family).

Well sure but it's hard to make it look like an accident... i would have to jump in front of a moving bus r sth and then there would be the problem of witnesses' testimonies. I also wrote suicide letters, if the insurance find out they wont give money to my parents anyways. Plus i doubt its that much money. Also I dont want to die in some foreign land. I want to die here at least if they really want my body back it's easier for them to retreive it here.

• #17

So my friends decided to move the date to this friday. Tmr imma be bz as hell so hopefully I can finish up the letters and grind the pills into powder. It's one day faster than initially planned but hey this is my only chance out. I will keep updating when I can.

miserableforever

Arcanist

• #18

Hi there, working with a short time frame here
So I was planning to ctb this saturday after going out with my friends but I'm currently in a process of applying for a visa to go uni abroad. My parents already paid for it and as of right now I'm finding myself booking for a room to stay. I already wrote some suicide notes to friends and family (but not fully done yet) and planning to jump of a bridge after ingesting 100 pills of diphenhydramine (planning to grind it up and mixing it with water). I'm adding to the time and effort wasted by my parents by catching the bus but by doing it after applying for a visa it can mean more serious repercussions for them in the future if they want to apply themselves (they might not grant my parents visas since there is a recorded case of suicide in the family maybe). I really don't want to have to ctb outside my country cuz it's gonna be an even bigger nightmare for them to try to get my dead body back home. should I continue with the plan?

ps: ctb has always been a plan of mine for years, I planned to do it after i've repaid my parents financially but that's gonna take a coupke of years and I'm considering doing it now because I dont think I can go any longer. ctb is the my end whether i've repaid my parents financially or not. it's just a matter of when.

If I were in your shoes, I'd try a new life first before ctb. You never know what's going to change for you in a different country. For the better even. You can always quit your studies and go back home to ctb.

• #19

If I were in your shoes, I'd try a new life first before ctb. You never know what's going to change for you in a different country. For the better even. You can always quit your studies and go back home to ctb.

I've already had 2 years of studies in that country. I didn't like it

• #20

Well sure but it's hard to make it look like an accident... i would have to jump in front of a moving bus r sth and then there would be the problem of witnesses' testimonies.

People od on heroin all the time. It's easy to party just a little too hard.

I also wrote suicide letters, if the insurance find out they wont give money to my parents anyways. Plus i doubt its that much money.

Destroy those letters. It was an accident - not like you could have known it was going to happen. They are not worth what the insurance will pay.

Also I dont want to die in some foreign land. I want to die here at least if they really want my body back it's easier for them to retreive it here.

When you die, your body is just meat. If you die in a foreign country, they can cremate you can send home a box of ashes.

• #21

People od on heroin all the time. It's easy to party just a little too hard.

Destroy those letters. It was an accident - not like you could have known it was going to happen. They are not worth what the insurance will pay.

When you die, your body is just meat. If you die in a foreign country, they can cremate you can send home a box of ashes.

I will die in my homeland. At least that's the last bit of honour I have. And no I dont want to pretend it's an 'accident' because that is lying in my parents' faces. I will not die a liar. I may be a scum of the earth piece of shit for not repaying what my parents have done for me but I will not lose the integrity i've built up so far. Ctb might not be a 'wise' decision sure, but in my eyes, I would rather die than go along this ride of insanity called 'life'.

'The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay'

Life is a disease. Death is the cure. I want to get better

Hollowillow

I want throat hugs & anime! Can't use chat pm me

• #22

I will die in my homeland. At least that's the last bit of honour I have. And no I dont want to pretend it's an 'accident' because that is lying in my parents' faces. I will not die a liar. I may be a scum of the earth piece of shit for not repaying what my parents have done for me but I will not lose the integrity i've built up so far. Ctb might not be a 'wise' decision sure, but in my eyes, I would rather die than go along this ride of insanity called 'life'.

'The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay'

Life is a disease. Death is the cure. I want to get better

My parents were abusive. Neglectful. But still found a way to put extremely unrealistic expectations to be perfect & never fail... It was soul crushing. They didn't give me the means to do it... At some point I had 2 job plus full time college. I burned out & became insane. Disabled. I might have had a life if I had paced myself gently with loving parents who respected my choices.

I don't know your parents, I see garm everywhere from trauma... But your parents seem abusive to me. It seems like they are putting on your shoulders things you don't want. Since they pay for it, they might guilt trip you. Calling you ungrateful. That you must repay them. Everytime you even try to express that you don't want to. Maybe not even giving you the space to figure out what you want in life... And who you are.

I think that if you kill yourself before they die, before you give them grandkids, they will always feel like you didn't repay them enough. I think you could obey & succeed what they want and they might still think that.

I think you should tell them what I think you said here: that you'd literally rather die than ever return abroad. That you want to live, study, work & die in your country. Even if it means a less glamorous life.

I think you should cancel it & take a time to figure out who you are & want you want.

If it's catch the river, so be it. If the only way to have good opportunities for your generation us to study abroad, you might try to sacrifice a few years for a better long life. If you'd be content with a modest life, it's good enough.

Basically... You owe your parents nothing. You never asked to be born. They owe you food & shelter for putting you in this world. If they are willing to pay for your dream study, great. If they are only willing to pay fir THEIR dream study & it's not negociable, you can refuse & owe them nothing for the poisonned gift with strings. Maybe the gifts you owe were in fact abusive demands. Otherwise you wouldn't want to die, you'd be eager to follow your dreams with support.

So I'd tell them I need time to figure out what I want... With thanks... But no thanks...

Or feel free to catch a river. I'm a dumb person with no social skills.

But parents making their child wish to die by forcing them to live in a way they can't bear don't deserve to be repaid.

When it's not what you want & you can't say no... It's not generous. It's abuse

Say no before you go? It feels good.

• #23

Well maybe through the previous posts it might seem that way. My parents are not abusive, I just don't like disappointing them. They do put pressure on my academic studies but if I don't do well they have not physically or mentally abused me (sure sometimes they kinda tell me to work harder) but it's not abusive per say. I just don't want to live life because I'm their first child. So everything is expected of me and there are huge responsibilties on my shoulders (to establish a life and find a job abroad and to bring my sibling and them). Though they don't force me to do these things, they always imply it and even fantasize about it (very often). At dinner they would just be fantasizing in front of my face and asking questions as though I've already made it like ' what type of houses would be good for us there? should we put your brother in private of public school there? where do the local kids go?'

These types of implied responsibilities are what's killing me. I'll just say disclose a bit more detail. I applied for Manchester uni and Cardiff uni. They were fantasizing like shit for me to go to Manchester uni and even told their friends about it. I ended up getting rejected and now i've end up in Cardiff. My dad was there on my results day and his reaction was like as if there was an error in the results i've recieved. I kept telling him afterwards that Cardiff uni is not bad it's also a russel group uni. But i can infer the disappointment in him. I'm expected to do many things even if they don't tell me it explicitly. And I know I wont be able to live up to their expectations. Even when I tell them not to expect too much. They still do. They think their son is capable when in reality it's not all sunshine and rainbow. I just know I will suffer horribly in the future because I'm not good looking and I'm not exceptional at anything.

Even if it seems as though I have a choice it this i really dont. I will suffer in the future guaranteed and I will suffer more than people who are beautiful and talented. I can't enjoy any new places i visit anymore because I'm just horrendously looking and I dont like to take pictures because of how ugly I am. If I dont enjoy even the slightest bit of anthing anyways, why stay for longer?

Hollowillow

I want throat hugs & anime! Can't use chat pm me

• #24

Well maybe through the previous posts it might seem that way. My parents are not abusive, I just don't like disappointing them. They do put pressure on my academic studies but if I don't do well they have not physically or mentally abused me (sure sometimes they kinda tell me to work harder) but it's not abusive per say. I just don't want to live life because I'm their first child. So everything is expected of me and there are huge responsibilties on my shoulders (to establish a life and find a job abroad and to bring my sibling and them). Though they don't force me to do these things, they always imply it and even fantasize about it (very often). At dinner they would just be fantasizing in front of my face and asking questions as though I've already made it like ' what type of houses would be good for us there? should we put your brother in private of public school there? where do the local kids go?'

These types of implied responsibilities are what's killing me. I'll just say disclose a bit more detail. I applied for Manchester uni and Cardiff uni. They were fantasizing like shit for me to go to Manchester uni and even told their friends about it. I ended up getting rejected and now i've end up in Cardiff. My dad was there on my results day and his reaction was like as if there was an error in the results i've recieved. I kept telling him afterwards that Cardiff uni is not bad it's also a russel group uni. But i can infer the disappointment in him. I'm expected to do many things even if they don't tell me it explicitly. And I know I wont be able to live up to their expectations. Even when I tell them not to expect too much. They still do. They think their son is capable when in reality it's not all sunshine and rainbow. I just know I will suffer horribly in the future because I'm not good looking and I'm not exceptional at anything.

Even if it seems as though I have a choice it this i really dont. I will suffer in the future guaranteed and I will suffer more than people who are beautiful and talented. I can't enjoy any new places i visit anymore because I'm just horrendously looking and I dont like to take pictures because of how ugly I am. If I dont enjoy even the slightest bit of anthing anyways, why stay for longer?

That's abuse. Even if it's not physically violent, or words of insults, it's abusive to demand too much (the very definition if abuse), and they clearly have no respect for who you are and what you wish to do. Yes you have a choice.

They are the parents, they should have studied abroad & taken the family. They still can!!! Even easier as a couple. Putting that respinsability for an entire family on a child, suffocating him instead if letting him explore life & figure out for himself gently... It's abuse. They expect a big expensive house, unrealistic in this economy even in america, not for a child... And private school is expensive... You don't have to pay for other people's kids. They do! Especially not rich fancy stuff! No need for that. Kids just want to be loved. They can't if they see you as a cash cow!

Tell them what you want. Tell them who you are. Then if you still wish to choose death, at least you'll die free & with dignity.

What would you like?

• #25

Tbh even if it may be considered emotional abuse , I really dont want to blame them for my death because after all it's my decision. They've given me plenty of good opportunities. I just don't want to live anymore because I'm scared of what's to come. And I know I will suffer ALOT (as I said before because of my insecurities). I just really really don't want to think about how I look and what im worth every single fucking second of my life anymore. I can't even enjoy movies fully anymore. I used to want to be the main character and at least live that fantasy while the movie lasted. Now I can't even relate to that. I watched american psycho recently and I kept thinking to myself 'this is what pretty privilege is, a serial killer can only persuade people in the first place because of their looks, imagine if an ugly guy like me did it. No one would even give a fuck'.

Every second is just agonising pain of oh how do i look what are my skills only to come to a conclusion everytime that im worth nothing. And again looks fucking matter alot. the only reason ppl like charlie d'amelio is famous for just dancing is because of her looks. Or if an 'ugly' person becomes famous, it's usually a meme or superficial 'EVERYONE IS BEAUTIFUL' bullshit. ugly+no real talents = shitty miserable existence. I can work harder to get better at things but in the work place, I will have to CONSTANTLY prove my abilites to my employer.

This world is fucked up and that's why I want to die.
If choosing to die because of the disadvantages I have is cowardice, then so be it. I don't want to suffer in a distorted fucked up world where all the odds are against me again the quote from this song sums it up nicely

'The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay'

• #26

If you have to ask that question - specially as a young person in an anonymous online forum - the answer ought to be *always*: NO

Death is final, certain and makes no deals.

So negotiating around like this, trying to weigh your options, is like attempting to make a bargain with gravity, before you jump of the cliff.

*Whenever* you are uncertain about it, don't do it! Its that simple.

You can always die another day, but you can never live again.

PS - One more thing from an old fart: When I was young I was absolutely certain about my future and what it would hold for me. Now I am old and I know that I knew nothing back then and that I know a lot less now.

• #27

If you have to ask that question - specially as a young person in an anonymous online forum - the answer ought to be *always*: NO

Death is final, certain and makes no deals.

So negotiating around like this, trying to weigh your options, is like attempting to make a bargain with gravity, before you jump of the cliff.

*Whenever* you are uncertain about it, don't do it! Its that simple.

You can always die another day, but you can never live again.

well I guess i was llike 60% sure i was gonna ctb when i wrote the title. Now that I have already wrote letters and planned a hangout with my friends tmr (after which i will ctb), Im more like 90% sure. The 10% is for what may happen on the bridge

Hollowillow

I want throat hugs & anime! Can't use chat pm me

• #28

Tbh even if it may be considered emotional abuse , I really dont want to blame them for my death because after all it's my decision. They've given me plenty of good opportunities. I just don't want to live anymore because I'm scared of what's to come. And I know I will suffer ALOT (as I said before because of my insecurities). I just really really don't want to think about how I look and what im worth every single fucking second of my life anymore. I can't even enjoy movies fully anymore. I used to want to be the main character and at least live that fantasy while the movie lasted. Now I can't even relate to that. I watched american psycho recently and I kept thinking to myself 'this is what pretty privilege is, a serial killer can only persuade people in the first place because of their looks, imagine if an ugly guy like me did it. No one would even give a fuck'.

Every second is just agonising pain of oh how do i look what are my skills only to come to a conclusion everytime that im worth nothing. And again looks fucking matter alot. the only reason ppl like charlie d'amelio is famous for just dancing is because of her looks. Or if an 'ugly' person becomes famous, it's usually a meme or superficial 'EVERYONE IS BEAUTIFUL' bullshit. ugly+no real talents = shitty miserable existence. I can work harder to get better at things but in the work place, I will have to CONSTANTLY prove my abilites to my employer.

This world is fucked up and that's why I want to die.
If choosing to die because of the disadvantages I have is cowardice, then so be it. I don't want to suffer in a distorted fucked up world where all the odds are against me again the quote from this song sums it up nicely

'The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay'

I feel you. I agree.

I think famous actors are muserable in their shallow ivory tower. Harassed, put on display, their mistakes for the whole world to see. They die of od...

I think it's far more precious to be lived by someone with kindness, who can see who we are beyond our meat. I hate being told I'm beautiful, sexual assault soon follow. I'm not even. My skin peeled off, I'm disfigured. In intense pain. Half blind. I can barely think.

If you want to die because your parents treat you like a cash cow and you don't dare to say no, I have the dumb urge to encourage you to live your life freely.

If you want to die because you think no one will love you if you don't look like a porno... That's lust. Someone who love you will see your heart beyond even handicap & disfigurement. Agreeing with you would mean agreeing that everyone who's not a hollywood bulimic with breast implants deserve to die... I disagree & pity those poor tortured souls.

But if you want to die for your own sake because society is bullshit. I couldn't agree more. Please give me tips so I can die too.

I'd love to see yoyr parent's face when their cash cow returns to the sea.

• #29

well I guess i was llike 60% sure i was gonna ctb when i wrote the title. Now that I have already wrote letters and planned a hangout with my friends tmr (after which i will ctb), Im more like 90% sure. The 10% is for what may happen on the bridge

That 10% is telling you that you suffer an emotional imbalance and tunnel vision.

I am old, used up, spend and have lost all friends, relatives and dreams that ever meant anything to me.

I can stand in front of a mirror and ask myself the rational question: "Why go on like this?" - and come up empty handed.

But if a young guy suffers from "Werthers' Syndrome" I can not help but ask myself: "If only I could get him into the sun, with a cool drink and a sweet girl by his side … would he still go through with it?"

=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrows_of_Young_Werther

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